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Post by Ten on Nov 26, 2009 20:46:32 GMT -6
"As the new-leaf sun begins to revive the mountains this year, the annual melt triggers an avalanche from above, crushing the Tribe of Gusting Wind's territory with tons of snow, rock, and debris."
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Has this never happened before? How old is the tribe?
"Searches through the mountains for a new home fail,"
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Why?
"and the Tribe cannot stray far from the original den, their only shelter. With the Tribe starving, the Healer leads them down the mountain to warmer land,"
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And that isn't considered far from the original den? Isn't water supply more important than shelter? What do they need shelter from?
"The trip down makes it obvious that if the bordering moors do not yield food or a home, they will not have the strength to climb back up and search for more mountain territory."
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And they can't rest a while and try later? Or would they die by then from starvation? Is it that hard for them to hunt here?
"Luckily, the moors are already populated with CloudClan - a large, lone group of cats who have lived there for as long as anyone can remember. And with a bit of discussion, CloudClan allows the Tribe to share their almost borderless territory, and teaches them moor hunting."
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What's so different about moor hunting from mountain hunting? There's different terrain, yeah, but would the adaption difficulties be?
"However, a moon or two later, problems arise."
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Why does it take that long?
"But the Tribe is reluctant to, as previous searches for territory have failed, and their current home is so very comfortable."
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So they're not sending out any more searches?
"They are willing to fight for it, but if they are to stay, it may cause them even more problems."
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More problems than being without/finding a new territory?
"But some cats are being reminded of them by StarClan,"
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Who's playing StarClan?
"But the Tribe does not see things in the same light, and does not mark borders, or refrain from crossing CloudClan's."
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Are these not cats?
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Post by anika on Nov 26, 2009 22:21:09 GMT -6
Has this never happened before? How old is the tribe?
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It likely has, just not as badly as this time around. Actually, I think there was more Elena wrote on it, but she edited it out. >.> As for how old the tribe is... -looks at Elena?-
Why?
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More stuff Elena edited out! Anyways.
Well, it's a mountain. Sure, it's big, but there are only so many places suitable for a group of cats to live in. Some cats in the tribe volunteered to scout for a new home, but many never came back, and those that did couldn't find anywhere that would be a good new home.
And that isn't considered far from the original den?
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They were starving then, and growing desperate. Before it was the volunteer cats that scouted for a new home; the rest of the Tribe stayed cooped up in their cave. When it was clear that they couldn't find a new home in the mountain(and when they were starving to death), the Healer decided to lead the Tribe down the mountain.
Isn't water supply more important than shelter?
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It was a snowy mountain; water wasn't really an issue.
What do they need shelter from?
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The weather and any predators in the mountains.
And they can't rest a while and try later? Or would they die by then from starvation?
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They could, but if there was no prey for them in the moorland, then they would die of starvation, yes.
Is it that hard for them to hunt here?
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When they don't know hunting techniques suitable for moorland terrain, yes.
What's so different about moor hunting from mountain hunting? There's different terrain, yeah, but would the adaption difficulties be?
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Well, for starters, the tribe mainly hunted birds in the mountains. On the moorland, it was mostly rabbits and land creatures that were hunted. Most hunters in the tribe had strong haunches made for jumping(which also helped them live in the mountains). But jumping wasn't necessary for moorland hunting. The tribe cats had to rely on speed to chase down their prey, something they were not used to.
Why does it take that long?
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Because before the Tribe came, CloudClan had seemingly borderless territory. A cat start at the mountains and would have to run for hours before reaching the Twolegplace. The Clan never considered that they could be short of prey(even in leaf-bare it wasn't too bad). When the tribe came, they still thought that they lived in a land with an abundance of prey. It wasn't until the Tribe got settled - a moon or so later - that the cats began to realize that their seemingly endless territory did have its borders, and that they didn't truly have as much prey as it appeared when there was only one group of cats occupying the stretch of moorland.
So they're not sending out any more searches?
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After the trek down the mountain, the tribe was tired, and the Healer decided not to send out any more search parties, since their previous ones failed, and the moorland weather was much less unforgiving than the cold, harsh weather in the mountains.
More problems than being without/finding a new territory?
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I think that depends on the reaction of CloudClan. The tribe would be in a lot of trouble without a home or territory, but if CloudClan responds aggressively and a war breaks out between the two groups of cats...yeah, that would probably be more problem staying than wandering in search of a new home. On the other hand, if CloudClan are the ones that act peacefully, trying to get the tribe to see that they need borders, then the situation depends on the tribe's actions - will they agree or continue to ignore the borders?
...is that what you were asking? >_>
Who's playing StarClan?
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Um. -looks at Elena?-
Are these not cats?
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The tribe was in a situation similar to CloudClan - in their old home, they did not have neighbors, and thus had no reason to mark any borders. Some likely thought that their tribe inhabited the whole mountain. They were mostly too concerned about hunting and feeding their tribe to scramble around the mountain to mark borders, anyways.
CloudClan also had no need for borders, and the only reason they began marking them was because they were reminded by StarClan about how they needed to mark borders and defend their territory.
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Post by ten on Nov 26, 2009 23:28:08 GMT -6
"there are only so many places suitable for a group of cats to live in."
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What's their criteria?
"It was a snowy mountain; water wasn't really an issue."
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It wasn't? I've heard you're not supposed to eat/drink snow. Hypothermia risk.
"The weather and any predators in the mountains."
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What predators?
"if there was no prey for them in the moorland"
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Wasn't there?
"The tribe cats had to rely on speed to chase down their prey, something they were not used to."
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And this was impossible for them to figure out on their own?
"After the trek down the mountain, the tribe was tired"
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No, I'm talking after they got settled.
"The tribe would be in a lot of trouble without a home or territory, but if CloudClan responds aggressively and a war breaks out between the two groups of cats..."
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hm. Okay.
"thus had no reason to mark any borders."
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They're cats. They've got glands. They've got instincts.
It's what they do.
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Post by Elena on Nov 27, 2009 11:17:00 GMT -6
Has this never happened before? How old is the tribe?
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Avalanches happened, but minor ones, or ones not near the Tribe. The Tribe is pretty dang old; they were probably living in a lower-risk area and got unlucky this year.
Who's playing StarClan?
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Probably some plotted stuff where we pick a few cats to get dreams. The roleplayers of the living cats could play the StarClan cats themselves, so long as they had a guideline on what the dreams said.
What's their criteria?
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Sheltered, reasonably constant sources of water and food, far from danger, landscape with tolerable ground and weather quality.
It wasn't? I've heard you're not supposed to eat/drink snow. Hypothermia risk.
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Well they could probably take chunks of it into the cave and stuff, and the warmer cave (collective body heat) would melt it.
What predators?
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Eagles, whatever Sharptooth was (mountain lion?), ....mountain goats?  -shotdead-
Wasn't there?
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It turned out there was prey; this was just expectations. Although prey would have been more inaccessible because of lack of hunting skills.
And this was impossible for them to figure out on their own?
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Well since they didn't have the body type for it, they had to learn to stalk and hide and manage in a different kind of setting (grass vs. bare rock).
No, I'm talking after they got settled.
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Their past searches had still failed, and they had a comfortable home already, so they didn't feel it was worth it.
They're cats. They've got glands. They've got instincts.
It's what they do.
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Tribe cats were conditioned to not have to do that anymore. Instinct was getting more knocked out by tradition.
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Post by ten on Nov 27, 2009 12:08:22 GMT -6
"so long as they had a guideline on what the dreams said."
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Who's giving the guidelines? Once a character dies, does the role player get to have their say on what StarClan says?
"Sheltered, reasonably constant sources of water and food, far from danger, landscape with tolerable ground and weather quality."
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Why was that so hard to find?
"Well they could probably take chunks of it into the cave"
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In their mouths?
"they had to learn to stalk and hide and manage in a different kind of setting"
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And this was impossible for them to learn on their own?
"Instinct was getting more knocked out by tradition."
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Do they have a tradition of not breathing?
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Post by Elena on Nov 27, 2009 12:17:49 GMT -6
Who's giving the guidelines? Once a character dies, does the role player get to have their say on what StarClan says?
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We're giving the guidelines. We tell them what should happen in the dream, just to establish the plotline.
Why was that so hard to find?
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Because that's a lot of qualities for one piece of land, which also has to be big enough.
In their mouths?
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Sure.... It might chill their mouth, but it wouldn't be giving them hypothermia unless they devoured it on the spot.
And this was impossible for them to learn on their own?
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Difficult. And time is precious when everyone needs food.
Do they have a tradition of not breathing?
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I think we can discern between involuntary reflexes and instincts for society. Human instinct is to be greedy, but we learn to rein that in.
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Post by ten on Nov 27, 2009 13:19:32 GMT -6
"We tell them what should happen in the dream, just to establish the plotline."
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hm. Sounds like ghostwriting.
Once a character dies, does the role player get to have their say on what StarClan says?
"Because that's a lot of qualities for one piece of land"
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Are there no other animals living on the mountain?
"It might chill their mouth, but it wouldn't be giving them hypothermia unless they devoured it on the spot."
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Some of it would melt, and it's hard to avoid swallowing something if you hold it in your mouth long enough.
"Difficult."
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I mean figure out what to do, not do. How would CloudClan do anything more than tell them what they should do? Or did CloudClan hunt for them?
"I think we can discern between involuntary reflexes and instincts for society."
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Even kittypets, under no obligation, mark their territory. Rubbing, a display of affection, is also marking. Do Tribe cats never rub?
"Human instinct is to be greedy, but we learn to rein that in."
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Says you.
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Post by Elena on Nov 27, 2009 14:41:26 GMT -6
hm. Sounds like ghostwriting.
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It's just to mark that the event happened. Anyways, this can go on so those roleplaying the dream-receiving cats can have their cats further influenced by it; it runs in the roleplay too, not just "Elena said I should write this."
Once a character dies, does the role player get to have their say on what StarClan says?
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Yes. Though they'll have to mark it as a sub-plot and have to get it okay'd before making StarClan do crazy stuff.
Are there no other animals living on the mountain?
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There are other animals, but they have different needs. They don't eat the same things, or need the same amounts, and they don't live in the same parts of the environment. So other animals' territory =/= good Clan territory.
Some of it would melt, and it's hard to avoid swallowing something if you hold it in your mouth long enough.
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They could drool it out? 8D -shot- Anyway, I think a trickle of /melted/ ice water won't give them hypothermia. My cat's owners said they gave him an ice cube in his water sometime.
I mean figure out what to do, not do. How would CloudClan do anything more than tell them what they should do? Or did CloudClan hunt for them?
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CloudClan could have taught them directly, and trained them to hunt and pay attention to the environment, with their experience of how the moors work. Like mentor-apprentice.
Even kittypets, under no obligation, mark their territory. Rubbing, a display of affection, is also marking. Do Tribe cats never rub?
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They don't have to spray border lines down and be all "RAWR MINE". .-.
Says you.
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And Hobbes. >:(
Anyway, let's look at the human child. Though I doubt parents ever taught their kids to be greedy, we see plenty of kids going "I want it" and "No mine" and stuff. Once you grow up, society teaches you that that's not very good in public. Tradition overpowers basic wants.
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Post by ten on Nov 27, 2009 15:23:22 GMT -6
"It's just to mark that the event happened."
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/confused.
You mean you only role play it to show it happened?
"There are other animals"
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But all the prey animals were clustered around that one specific spot?
"My cat's owners said they gave him an ice cube in his water sometime."
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That's a lot different than carrying snow around in your mouth in the wild. Wouldn't they have to go on trips for more?
"CloudClan could have taught them directly"
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Not seeing how CloudClan advice would be any more helpful.
"They don't have to spray border lines"
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Yes they do.
"And Hobbes."
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Referring to the latter half of the sentence.
But eh. If you say so.
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Post by Elena on Nov 28, 2009 18:21:02 GMT -6
/confused.
You mean you only role play it to show it happened?
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Because it will actually have impact on the roleplay. We know cats are receiving dreams (part of the setting), but this lets us see /how/ it happened.
But all the prey animals were clustered around that one specific spot?
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No, but just because there is food in other areas, doesn’t mean those areas are all good habitats.
That's a lot different than carrying snow around in your mouth in the wild. Wouldn't they have to go on trips for more?
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So they get chilly mouths. They can kick chunks of snow and ice into the cave if they have to.
Not seeing how CloudClan advice would be any more helpful.
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Because CloudClan can correct them as they’re learning and tell them what to expect, so it takes them less time to just figure it out. If you play an instrument, you can eventually figure out everything, but you might not learn it correctly, and definitely not as fast as with an instructor.
Yes they do.
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They might spray for instinct, but they’re not defending borders because they never had to. The action no longer has meaning. Anyways, they’re trying not to have such separations from the Clan, because it’s advantageous for them to ally. Instinctive border-making is to keep a territory for themselves, which they don’t currently want.
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Post by ten on Dec 6, 2009 11:15:42 GMT -6
"Because it will actually have impact on the roleplay."
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uh. So that's a yes.
"No, but just because there is food in other areas, doesn’t mean those areas are all good habitats."
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Why wouldn't they be? Is there any prey that doesn't need reasonably constant sources of water and food, in a place far from danger, with tolerable ground and weather quality?
"So they get chilly mouths. They can kick chunks of snow and ice into the cave if they have to."
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I know these cats are anthropomorphic and all that, but are there any animals who melt snow to drink? The prey they'd been eating, what did they do for water?
"If you play an instrument"
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Learning to play an instrument is much different than changing tactics in a practice you already know.
"The action no longer has meaning."
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Of course it has meaning.
"Anyways, they’re trying not to have such separations from the Clan, because it’s advantageous for them to ally."
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They're trying to keep them as their allies by making them mad?
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